I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. Your email address will not be published. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. Matt. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. I'm a bank robber. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. I dont do stock answers. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. If you dont like it, too bad. I have not misrepresented what you said. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. He is a ministry collaborator with . I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. I kind of dreaded this type of response. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. Market data provided by Factset. Were deeply grateful for that. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. Legal Statement. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! You are just exporting your own. As for his preaching, we will disagree. You can find the details here. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. See what mine own hands have wrought. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. lq mk Opinion Preston Clegg. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. You were rightthat was not very mature. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. or redistributed. Some are good, some are bad. Hardly the same as Furticks message! In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! Its only your perception and I would deny it. For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. . Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. What am I gonna do? It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Because your worth it! LOL! No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. They do things right. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. Cho resigned the next day. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. (2Tim. What a waste of a fantastic talent. complete with standing ovation. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). Thanks for this. It just looks weird. There is nothing more basic than these. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. I surrendered to a calling of God. All rights reserved. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. as there are with me. For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. Simply not true. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. It all depends how you measure success! The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. Have mercy! point taken). So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. Required fields are marked *. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. He was unable to preach the second service. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. what evidence do you have for that?). And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? We only do pale imitations of what is not great anyway! You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. I did read your comments. Finally, I just checked my Amazon app and what do you know, the book I mentioned is still for sale at 3.50 and there are 8 copies left. Conclusion: And now I wait. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. Sadly so. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? All rights reserved. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. Find a Church . (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. It happens. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. Why shouldnt he? [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." 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