catholic - from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning "universal". And I was not drunk !!! I prefer the taste of Bushmills as its smoother where Jameson is a sharper taste. When Alfred Barnard, the British historian visited John's Lane in the late 1880s, he noted the elegance and cleanliness of the buildings, and the modernity of the distillery, describing it as "about as complete a work as it is possible to find anywhere". But until 2005 BOTH distilleries were owned by Pernod-Ricard. We were up near Bushmills this past summer during our Ireland vacation (on our way from Belfast to The Causeway) and our Tipperary-based guide recommended not stopping there due to the companys historic treatment of Catholics. If you read J.F. Jameson was a Dublin Whidkey but it was Protestant. As a Scotsman living in Scotland, Id say I f youre worried about the religion of your whiskey then perhaps you shouldnt be drinking. Now I need to locate Redbreast! I wanted to explore one of t, @teremana has been my new favorite tequila since t, Happy Repeal Day! Now, go have some grappa with an espresso this evening. Since the closure of the John's Lane distillery, many of the distillery buildings were demolished. Comment 2nd line was bottling Jameson. The old make, which we drank with our luncheon, was delicious, and finer than anything we had hitherto tasted. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. These two fine whiskeys should be enjoyed in a glass and not on some pseudo-religious podium. You wouldnt really understand the depth of the situation. Me, Ill opt mostly for the great spirits of the independent Cooley Distillery, located just north of Dublin. is that a catholic thing? . One company that undeniably did discriminate against Catholics though was Guinness in Dublin yet i dont see any boycotts in place for that. [8] After expansion, output at the distillery rose to 700,000 gallons per annum, and by the 1880s, had reached about 900,000 gallons per annum, at which point the distillery covered over six acres of central Dublin, and had a staff of about 300 people.[3][1]. As for my preference, I tend to like the lighter Bushmills as its the first Irish whiskey I discovered years ago, and Ive certainly enjoyed my share of Jameson from time to time. Love Black Bush but Jamesons Gold Reserve gets my vote as the very best Ive had. But I must say my absolute preference is Jameson 18 yr old. Thanks for the clarification. I find Jameson to be a bit too sweet, I guess. Jameson is always a great go-to, easy and smooth. This kind of stupidity makes us look like clowns in the eyes of most real Irish. My mother, an Irish protestant spoke hatred against the Catholics. As Jameson only uses the bourbon barrels once, the color and flavor is more reminiscent of American bourbon. Bushmills I like, but I like Irish Whisky best of all the brown stuff. Of course with these kind of things mud tends to stick and some Irish-Americans wouldnt let the facts get in the way of a good anti-British story. If you guys can get your hands on Kilbeggan, it will not disappointI only recently discovered it and thought Id share. My post was simple stating that the problem still exists. In some ways Im like woof, Thank you, @craftspiritsus for inviting me to give, CALLING ALL NACHOS AND WINGS LOVERS (okay and foot, Menu and blog update! Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. Terrific reading. Those of us that still drink enjoy guinness as our beer The Holy Roman Empire Just a point, Jameson is traditionally a Dublin Whiskey, originally distilled and blended in Bow Street in dublins Smithfield. And, many thanks to (nearly) all of those who offered comments. Your email address will not be published. Tullamore Dew, rendered in most branding as Tullamore D.E.W. I think its alot worse than some backward hick town in yankeeville. [1] History [ edit] Argument ended.. Jameson is the Catholic whiskey, Bushmills is the Protestant one, despite the efforts of the Bushmills PR department to spin it otherwise. Whoever owns Paddys also owns one of these bigger brands and wont export to the US because they know they would cannibalize their own market share. And, fact fans, the space-age Middleton distillery in the far south makes the neutral alcohol for the blends produced at Bushmills up North. They are just businesses making whiskey. I serve it in Texas to my St. Patricks day guests and several times a year otherwise. I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. Any particular reason why in 1998-1999 Bushmills would have distilled of at least bottle up for Jameson ????? As a good Roman Catholic, Ive always raised my Jameson in tribute to my Irish Catholic brethren (actually I like Jameson a little more than Bushmills anyway) until, on a recent trip to Ireland with my Irish-American Wife (nee Powers), I bought a bottle of Redbreast on a lark. Memories. The Thirty Years' War was a series of wars in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. Right. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys? Bushmills is distilled in County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Mmmm..Middleton distillery. I was born in buncrana moved to Derry then to Belfast and am now living in the uk Im Catholic and I must say I prefer Bushmills to Jamesons although Ive been a life Long fan of Jamesons it doesnt matter whether your Hun or teag drink what you like dont bring sectarianism into it itll spoil the taste. I was wondering when someone would ask this question. It was fine w me, because the Jameson Distillery tour was fantastic. I think the Middleton hurt my wallet the most. What is the lore and legend and reputation of Tullamore Dew? My wife has just blown raspberries on my belly whilst Ive been reading this crap seriously it doesnt matter which type of sky fairy you believe in bushmills black label vs tulamore dew is a close run thing and depends on how and what mood youre in rather that some stupid pagan affiliation. Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. The only option is to import a case in through the provincial liquor stores at about $35 CAD per bottle. The date of 1608 doesnt even specifically relate to that brand but that a license was granted in somewhere in that general area. Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. The cheap Evan Williams Black Label at half the price (in the USA)has more taste and more of a kick. A friend of mine hooked me on Jerrys Drink which is 1 part Jameson 12, 1 part Irish Mist and a quick splash of 7-up or Sprite. Love a pleanty Then I spent another 20 minutes clicking around at random on your site, and then I ended up at this article, neatly explaining the first part of the joke. Thanks, Mike. Powers is for shooting, some of the swill mentioned here is OK for mixing and when I want a little variety, I go for a double Connemara 12 never get tired of the peated smoothness and wonderful finish. The northern Protestant states, angered by the violation of their rights to choose granted in the Peace of Augsburg, banded together to form the Protestant Union. Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys?. Whiskey and Cocktails Uisce Beatha or Water of Life has been distilled in Ireland for many centuries and possibly even for millennia. Literal Meaning. Sweeter, rich with barley, and perfect with one ice cube. But "this couldn't be any further from the truth," says McGarry. Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. I noticed a little uncertainty about spelling in the story. One more thing Since Pernod Ricard shut down the grain stills at the old Bushmills distillery, all of the grain whiskey in Bushmills is from Middleton! The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. Regarding the Catholic/Protestant/Jewish/Corn Beef relationship, Man is walking down the street in Belfast. Contrary and challenging to the end- does this not sum up the Celtic spirit, whatever its origin or leaning? What a great treat. No coffee or anything green. . Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Will never forgive parents. Nuts. I dont give a rip shit about religion and in fact LOATHE the typical evangelical protestant types like Swaggart, Murdoch etc. Powers is readily available in the Balto/Wash area. Im also a bit confused on the cheap part. Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. In particular the 1951 offering of which Ive never tasted its superior. Ive lost members of my family to the IRA in THIS generation. There was still a lot of Catholics in Scotland. Bushmills, which refused to hire Catholics for many years has been actively trying to recruit Catholic employees of late, because the pay a wee tax penalty for lack of diversity in their workforce. It may not be factual, verified, or correct, but definitely true. Whisky is Scotch, followed by Canada. Im sorry but if not drinking a brand of whiskey for some very spurious political reason, and claiming drinking Bushmills somehow condones an Irishman losing his land seems pretty idiotic to me. ID was purchased by Pernod Ricard in 1988 and they sold off Bushmills to Diageo in 2005. Who really cares. 2. Cant believe this discussion thread is still going on since 2009! All of this is just silly, Ireland is totally united in the bottle. I was wondering this myself. Whiskey, or "uisce beatha" in the Irish language, is an integral part of Ireland and Irish culture. The plantation of Ulster started in 1609, and BTW that very same King (James I) planted the Jamestown settlement in Virginia two year previous in 1607. Paddy is a brand of blended Irish whiskey produced by Irish Distillers, at the Midleton distillery in County Cork, on behalf of Sazerac, a privately held American company. Mind you the order as I see it goes Knappogue 51 > Midleton Rare > Knappogue 15 > Redbreast > Black Bush > Knappogue 92 > Tullamore Dew (makes for the best Irish Coffee) > Then take your pick of the Jamesons/Bushmills/Cooley offerings. Currently, I go though a case of Jameson for every bottle of Bushmills that we sell at our bar. [12] However, with many of the Irish distilleries having closed in the early 20th century in part due to their failure to embrace a change in consumer preference towards blended whiskey, Powers were instrumental in convincing the remaining Irish distilleries to reconsider their stance on blended whiskey.[8]. In addition to Powers Gold label, a 12-year-old premium blend, and several single pot still whiskeys have been released under the Powers banner in recent years: In the 2012 edition of the Whisky Bible, whiskey writer Jim Murray named Power's John's Lane Release Irish Whiskey of the Year and described it as "certainly one of the top five world whiskies of the year". I should have thought of other whisk(e)y cocktails when typing that last thought. Over and out. 1996 in coal harbour Vancouver BC. Simple business transaction where both sides benefit. Robber jumps out of an alley, holds up a gun, and says, Are you a Protestant or a Catholic? Man says, Neither, Im a jew. Robber thinks for a moment, says, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?, are you a Protestant or a Catholic? As long as its no longer going on in the company today then enjoy. I do believe Irishness & Irish politics is whitewashed for Americans and presented from a certain political viewpoint. If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. Powers Gold Label for me, thank you very much. Corvallisbarman is half right. It is the second-largest-selling brand of Irish whiskey globally, with sales of over 1,500,000 cases per annum as of 2020. Nice lark, it is my keeper whiskey (special occasion), while Powers is now my everyday spirit. This is because Guinness is now seen as a world-wide iconic Irish brand and brings in lots of money to the southern Irish economy. I dont generally buy it, but Ill drink it without complaint. Maybe not the best role model, but whaddaya gonna do? But none of it means much, anyway: both distilleries are owned by huge international entities: Jameson by French liquor conglomerate Pernod-Ricard, and Bushmills by the English firm Diageo. Spose its kinda like Rangers (hoik-phew) and Celtic FC really. Just setting the record straight. William Riley, well said, man. And a true story: as a young Dublin barman I was confounded by a true-blue Dubliner who asked for a large Shirley Bassey. It is Bushmills that supplies single malt (The Old Bushmills Distillery is the only one of the three in Ireland that distills only triple distilled single malt whiskey, while the Midleton Distillery produces grain & pure potstill spirit and Cooley produces double distilled single malt, grain & potstill), as well as doing the bottling for Jameson, Powers & Paddys (All from Midleton, along with Red Breast, Greenspot & Tullamore Dew). [7], In 1871, the distillery was expanded and rebuilt in the Victorian style, becoming one of the most impressive sights in Dublin. He replied, Bushmills. Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. post number 66). Look for a new addition to the landscape, The Irishman Original Clan & Single Malt. Believe in the Trinity of God. There will always be a few zealots who do, but from my knowledge, both Bushmills and Jamesons are enjoyed by people of both faiths. And good whiskey. The Fair Employment Commission gave Bushmills a clean bill of health. Help! CATHOLICISM vs PROTESTANTISM!! @Darby OGill. Your email address will not be published. In April I went to Jerusalem. And it really is an Irish American thing to take to finding out which is protestant and catholic lol. Jameson has distilled fine Irish malt which has been then sold to Bushmills to use as a blend all of the way through the most controversial of times of Irish English relations to current. I even have taken a liking to Bushmills Irish Honey when Im in a cocktail mood.Not being Irish and not wanting to get political. But generally, if you like it sweet, you like Jamesons products (including Redbreast, 1780, and Powers) If you like it dry, youll prefer the Busmills lineup. I went to the Distillery in Tullamore(now a museum for the whiskey), it is now produced in Middleton, although it is no longer owned by Pernod-Ricard. Such days are long over, and Dew is rapidly making up the difference in sales, and has already overtaken Jamison in may countries in Europe. Cheers! Funny thing is, Jeffrey, that at the end of your debunking of the myth, you subtly reassert its validity in rightly noting that Bushmills is owned by Diageo, a company based in a largely Protestant country, while Jameson is owned by Pernod-Ricard, which is based in a predominantly Catholic country. 1 line was bottling Bushmills. I have a bottle of Midleton stashed away for a special occasion and I keep a bottle of Kilbeggan for my go-to whiskey. You claim that it is an Irish-American phenomenon, however up in the six counties Catholics drink Jameson and Prod-Brits drink Bushmills there is even a bit of violence attached to it. Delicious, soothing, contemplative. I grew up in NYC with this popular myth engrained on my conciousness. [4] In addition, Barnard was high in his praise for Powers whiskey, noting:[4]. Im married to a Protestant and my best friend and fellow whiskey hound is a also one. one night. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. The good news is I dont have to worry about car bomb in Hicktown. Thank you for the real-world experience! The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. The most traumatic era in the entire history of Roman Catholicism, some have argued, was the period from the middle of the 14th century to the middle of the 16th. Bottom line Bushmills 16 yr has won my top pick in Irish whiskey over the 21 yr and Middletons, Redbreast and all the others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85N-43REag. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. Ive tried to correct his misinterpretation but he thinks his name is funnier. However, some of the buildings have been incorporated into the National College of Art and Design, and are now protected structures. The Protestant Reformation was a religious, social, economic, and political revolution that was sparked when a Catholic monk named Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of his local . Back to Top. TRIPLE SEC, 2 shots of BUSHMILLS, My grandfather lost friends due to the awful abuses that were brought upon the Irish in the Republic by the Englishs Black and Tans, rumor has it the original owner of Bushmills was granted the right to distill due to the fact he helped suppress the Irish in the north from uprising against the British. This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. Bushmills, in turn, supplies the Midleton Distillery with single malt, which they use to make Tullamore DEW. Great smooth flavor and a soft long finish. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? West Virginia is the only U.S state where you can legally handle venomous serpents to prove your faith. This is excellent. Redbreast IS great for sipping (especially for the price) and Powers Gold is fine too. Produced at Cooley for Sidney Frank, it appears to have been geared mainly for the American market. One of them said, My enemys enemy is my friend.. . So by your logic it is fair to say that Every time you raise a glass of American Bourbon you are in essence raising a glass to an Native American losing his land (and in MOST cases his life) to British/American rule! The other part is that Powers is for everyone else who just doesnt give a f**k. Drink what you drink and like what you like. This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. Just dont do anything silly like order it on the rocksits way too good for that. I was born in West Belfast and I can tell you, that most Catholics prefer Jamesons. Found it very smooth to the tongue. The word "catholic" means "all-embracing," and the Catholic Church sees itself as the only . While Redbreast is great, wonderful stuff, dont ever pass up a chance to sample their self-titled Middleton. I even stayed in what was one of the hotbed cities during the troubles. There was an Irish-American lobby group headed by a politician that was running for mayor that started a whole anti-Bushmills campaign in San Francisco in the early 90s claiming that the company never hired Catholics, a convenient attract Irish-American votes. Tulley Dew 10 Year Single Malt! Im sure there were dodgy discriminatory practices based on race or religion in most big corporations in many countries in the past. Whereas Bushmills is seen (by some) as British because it is located in Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK)and there is a political bias against it from some quarters. There are some amazing ones, FYI, I will leave it at that. If you want to support Ireland, go and visit and maybe read a few history books and hopefully realise that most normal people dont give a toss about religious leanings. Being RC from Ulster, Ive had Jameson (and other Cork products) in plenty of Prod pubs (whether in Belfast or elsewhere) and plenty of Bushmills in RC pubs (whether in Dublin or in staunch republican areas of Cork, Kerry, and elsewhere), and never been hassled over it. So any Americans who believe this, should change to Murphys at once. I became a Whiskey drinker a few years back now, and started with Jameson. wear my orange on St. Patricks Irish whiskeys like Bushmills, Redbreast, Powers, and Green Spot, amongst others, have arisen on the market with their own distinctive characteristics. top off with chilled pulpy orange juice, AND stir lightly .. lol. The Roman Catholic church developed its dogma based on the issues brought forth by the . 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